Have you ever searched for mental health podcasts, or educational posts on Instagram, but aren't sure which ones are worth your time?
This episode of IMBT highlights a collection of mental health podcasts and social media figures, favorited by two mental health providers, Jess Warpula Schultz, LMFT, and Jeff Peterson, LCSW. Jess and Jeff share who they listen and learn from, topics range from teenage therapy, secular Buddhism, social justice, neuroscience, "debunking the junk science behind health fads", and more.
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Produced by Jessica Warpula Schultz
Music by Jason A. Schultz
Have you ever searched for mental health podcasts, or educational posts on Instagram, but aren't sure which ones are worth your time?
This episode of IMBT highlights a collection of mental health podcasts and social media figures, favorited by two mental health providers, Jess Warpula Schultz, LMFT, and Jeff Peterson, LCSW. Jess and Jeff share who they listen and learn from, topics range from teenage therapy, secular Buddhism, social justice, neuroscience, "debunking the junk science behind health fads", and more.
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Produced by Jessica Warpula Schultz
Music by Jason A. Schultz
Welcome to Insight Mind Body Talk, a body-based mental health podcast. We're your hosts, Jessica Warpula Schultz and Jeanne Kolker. Whether you've tried everything to feel better and something is still missing or you've already discovered the wisdom of the body. This podcast will encourage and support you in healing old wounds, strengthening relationships, and developing your inner potential- all by accessing the mind body connection.
Please know, while we're excited to share and grow together. This podcast is not intended to be a substitute for mental health treatment. It doesn't replace the one-on-one relationship you have with a qualified healthcare professional and is not considered psychotherapy.
Thanks Jess. And thank you for listening. Now, let's begin a conversation about what happens when we take an integrative approach to improving our wellbeing. Welcome to Insight Mind Body Talk. My name is Jess. I'm a licensed marriage and family therapist, trauma informed movement specialist, and your host. And today I'm joined by Jeff Peterson, LCSW, and mental health therapist at Insight Counseling and Wellness. Hi Jeff, how are you? Hi, Jess. I'm great and it's good to.
It's great. Thank you for joining us today. I'm, I'm happy to have you back. Today's topic is "Mental Health Media", how it can help. So Jeff, you were recently on the podcast last month in December and you were talking as a, you know, substance use counselor. You were talking about alcohol during the holidays, but I wanted to let listeners know, you know, kind of how this episode even came about is that during our prep we were talking about how much we both appreciate and learn from podcasts and other social media sources and, you know, especially podcasts.
We both have a passion for it, but just in general, social media kind of gets like a bad rap and yet there's so many amazing sources and resources out there that we thought it'd be fun to kind of collect what we like and then share those with our listeners. Oh yeah. And there's so much out there.
Sometimes it's hard to sift through and find out which ones work with you or wh and which ones, you know, kind of deliver what they advertise for. Lack of a better say word. So, um, you know, putting together a few of those for our listeners, um, was such a great idea. Yeah, yeah, definitely. That's such a good point, is that it's almost like, where do I even begin?
You know, if you look up mental health podcasts, probably in Apple, there's, you know, the top 100. And then if not more, how do you know if they're good? How do you even wanna like, invest? And then if you add in any sort of like anxiety or depression or other things, maybe even, that's like the barrier to utilizing the resource is that even finding which ones work for you is like overwhelming or too much.
It sure is. And sometimes that's, The point maybe of social media in some ways is getting kind of, um, distracted. And I think if we're with other things, whether it's ads or um, other podcasts, and then we, we, I, we talk to clients all the time. I think Jess right about losing time to social media. Mm-hmm. . And what we're probably talking about at the core is how to intentionally use social media or podcasts or media in general.
Um, how do we use it in a way that is intentional and meets our needs rather than losing time to it. Great point, great point. It's like the, you know, Deb Dana, who I'll reference later, she talks at, or was it Janina Fisher? I cannot recall, but one of them spoke about in one of their books. You know, it's all about the intention in mindfulness, and so one strategy such as watching a favorite show or scrolling on social media, if it's done with mindfulness or awareness or intent, it can be a very regulating resource.
But if we're accidentally using it to dissociate and to kind of numb out when we're binging a show, maybe that is kind of moved from, you know, an adaptive resource to possibly a maladaptive or one that doesn't quite work for. Yeah, absolutely. Good point. Good point. Well, why don't you begin, you know, we're gonna get, just take team, you know, and you're gonna say one, I'll say one, you say one, I'll say one.
Tell me, you know, and for the listeners, Jeff and I have not discussed these prior, so maybe there's some repeats, maybe there's not. But I'm really excited to just hear about, you know, the sources that you enjoy and that you learn from. Yeah, and I, I think we're, we'll start with podcasts. Um, one of the ones that has really, um, been so influential and helpful for me is, uh, podcast called Secular Buddhism.
Oh. And one of the most, you know, at this, this, um, the host's name is Noah Rasheta, and he starts every podcast by. Quote, I believe it's from Umthan, is using principles or this podcast of Buddhism to be a better whatever you are, not necessarily to be a better Buddhist per se. And I kind of take that as how to be a, you know, and he uses the word better intentionally.
I, I, I believe better human, um, and how to, you know, relate to ourselves in a more healthy way, how to relate to others in, in a more healthy way. Um, and a lot of like letting go and acceptance is, is what is so helpful I, I see in that, in the podcast. Um, and the principles of Buddhism are, are just wonderful things.
And he certainly hits on, um, those tenants and brings it to someone and people without necessarily. The history and the, um, commitment to say being a Buddhist, cuz I wouldn't say that that is where I fall. However, the, uh, things I learned from there are and how to apply these, um, tenants to daily life and how relating to others, like I said, is it's just really great.
And it's delivered in a, you know, usually about 25 to 40 minutes, um, every couple of weeks. And it, it's just lovely and really empowering and I, I encourage folks to check that out if it sounds at all appealing. . Oh, nice. I love that. I love that. You know, there's a lot of philosophies and, you know, guidelines from Buddhism that can translate to everyone's life.
I, I agree. You don't need to be a practicing Buddhist to really gain, you know, insight and, you know, develop some skills from, you know, their philosophies and their teachings. Absolutely. I, and it, it, it is delivered too in the, in bite, bite size pieces that are, are not too hard because they can be complex.
Yeah. Um, com um, aspects of, of Buddhism that, that, you know, you could talk about it all day long. It's been written about and read and studied and practiced for thousands of years. So this brings it to the reader in a, like he says, a secular way and a way that that can be applied to everyday life. . Nice. I love that.
I love that. Thank you. Mm-hmm. . Well, I am going to move into more of a, you know, somatic body-centered approach, and I wanna talk about this podcast called Maintenance Phase. So it's a podcast brought, well, it was brought into my life through a client. She discovered it and then told me about it, and I love it.
Uh, it's a podcast from Aubrey Gordon and Michael Hobbs, and it's about wellness and weight loss, myth stuff, all debunked and decoded they say. So, Yeah, the origin was f from Mike and he was scrolling through the top 100 health podcast on Apple, and very few are skeptical of the health and fitness industry, and they wanted, he wanted to bring more of a lens of curiosity to the conversation.
Uh, if listeners, you know, any of our loyal listeners know that I come from a place of participating in the fitness industry and Jeanie, you know, and I have joked before that we're recovering fitness professionals because there's, you know, a lot of weight stigma, um, a lot of behaviors that are dysfunctional, not only dysfunctional, but that lead to pretty severe mental health disorders.
And it's always, it's gonna be part of my passion for the rest of my life is to challenge as well and, and help people learn more about health and wellbeing. Through a trauma informed lens versus just standard fitness industry. Um, Instagram, so maintenance phase, uh, really talks about how the idea of health right now in our culture is associated with weight.
So really how healthy you are is equal to how much you weigh. and uh, it's so informative. I've heard stories about how people find that even sharing these with their family members, these episodes have really helped educate not just an individual and reduce shame and increase empowerment, but also helps educate like family systems or couples on what the reality is on health and wellbeing.
So, you know, and it sounds like a pretty heavy topic. It is. It's a very important topic, but I just wanna let everyone know that I find myself laughing a lot. Like these two are so enjoyable. Oh, wow. Yeah. I, you know, they, to, they call out toxic diet culture. They really worked to reduce shame. They educate the unformed, they really wanna eliminate weight stigma, discrimination, or pardon me, discrimination
Um, and really, I. With humor. Their goal is to help people make peace with their bodies while using critical thinking skills and challenging faulty information and biased beliefs. I mean, I don't, for me, it, it doesn't get any better than that because while I'm thinking about this and feeling this, I really, at least for me personally, I like to use humor in the podcast.
I, you know, it, it allows me to bring out a little bit more of the silly parts of myself that maybe in traditional talk therapy kind of get set aside so that I can stay present with the client. But yeah, I really enjoy listening to these two a lot. I love that you, I love the humor that you brought into this.
And also as you're talking about it, I can just think of how helpful that would be for so many folks I work with. Um, and how often body, image and weight and the cultural pressures, um, come up for people mm-hmm. . And so I'm already feeling like, you know, I wrote it down because I want to recommend it to folks.
Um, yeah. I don't, I don't know who couldn't benefit from, from challenging some of the, the things we see on the screens and in stores and on social media as we're talking about. Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. , but something that debunks challenges, um, and with the goal of increased wellness, not selling something or anything like that.
Exactly. Cool. On the checkout. Yeah, it is, and for me it's, you know, really fighting weight stigma and, um, And doing this kind of work is, is very social justice oriented in my opinion. You know, there's so much oppression and trauma and internalized oppression and, you know, look at the medical industry.
It's systemic. It's, you know, tied into big business. It's tied into the government. And, you know, the way we work through that is to educate ourselves, and that's how we become allies, right? Yes. So that we can advocate and be allies and not just say, well, within my body and my perceived thin privilege perceived by others, and it's actual thin privilege, right?
That I have, that my body, um, for the most part fits into society. And even literal physical structures that are created throughout society, like, um, you know, seats on a bus or, you know, other mm-hmm. dressing rooms, different things like that. Chairs at a restaurant, uh, doorways, I mean, f everything, right?
Airplanes. Airplanes, you know, there's, There's just so much that it's not just up to people in bigger bodies, it's up to everybody to like change the way it works. And so I think we do that through education, right? Yes. So anyway, maintenance phase, check it out. Yes. That's awesome. Oh, there's so many. So let me see.
Where would I want to go with this? Um, We mentioned a little bit in talking in the, the last episode that I was on, uh, several on addiction and recovery, which I think we'll put in the show notes and I think we kind of touched on those. So I will, I will move to a different one here. And this one is, I don't know, I don't want to make rankings and things, even though my kids love to ask about what is my third and fourth favorite color and things like that.
So what, I'm just gonna throw these all out as, as, as worth checking out and, and resist the urge to rate them. Okay. But this, this one is called meditative story and it is phenomenal. Um, and it's. I kind of, I kind of wrote down, it's kind of to relax and practice mindfulness, but what they, the blurb says about it is it's extraordinary human stories with meditation prompts embedded into the storylines surrounded by music.
Oh my gosh. I have to interrupt you. Okay. Keep going. But that sounds so, so good. It's wonderful. And the, the guests on it. So there is a, um, a gentleman, uh, guide and he. Introduces himself as, as our guide and starts out with some mindfulness prompts and asks you certain questions about the story that is being told by the guest.
Like, have you ever had a time in your life where you felt so confused, you didn't know what to do? Right? And then it's like, most people would say, why? Yes, I have. And so then he ju introduces the guest, then the guest tells a story about a specific thing that happened to them, and reflecting back on how it went, presented in, in this really wonderful way for us to learn from.
And then the guide will come in halfway through and say, now let's pause and reflect also on this part of the story. How does this line up with what you brought to mind at the beginning and then the story finishes and he wraps with a, uh, kind of a final summary and a mindfulness, and how do you want to carry this into your, you know, whatever's happening next in your day.
Mm-hmm. , and it's rejuvenating and really inspirational. It's also very relaxing and can be, I found it really helpful as a wind down to, uh, to bedtime, uh, in the evenings. I know some folks have used it as kind of a midday break, um, to kind of step away from the workday or whatever events are going on in that day and take a, you know, any, I think it's anywhere from about 30 to.
To 60 minutes though, usually right around 30 to 40. Um, so it, okay. It, it's not too long. It is quiet and lovely with, with the music. And it has guests, they have guests that are, uh, perhaps at times people you may know or have heard of in music or, um, Hollywood or something like that. Um, one recently had Michael Imperiali from Sopranos and White Lotus and, and so that was really nice to listen to.
But then they'll have everyday folks that, um, you may not know. And it's really connecting with the story and the, the human experience. We all go through Wow. And how to learn, but also make it very personal. I can't say enough about just how, wow, what's it called again? What's it called again? Oh yeah.
Meditative story. Okay. Meditative story. It's almost like this American life, but meditation built in with. Yes. I mean that's, I love that, that I, I'm gonna try that, like for sure. I think my partner would really love that too. Oh, that is so cool. Thank you. And the music part of it is really neat cuz they have different, um, artists performing a variety of very, uh, soothing, um, music to listen to.
And so you get to know, um, and they introduce, um, other podcasts that are similar and just a, a, a, well, it's almost like a wellness network of podcasts that they do. Oh wow. Yeah. Wow. Oh, I love it. Okay. Meditative stories. Thank you. Mm-hmm. . So I think I'll move into one for teens. We don't talk about adolescents much on our podcast we have every so often, but this podcast, I love it.
So I'm gonna play a trailer actually, but it's called Teenager Therapy. Like who doesn't love that already? Um, so, and their quote at, at, at kind of at their, their title working quote is, you know, teenager Therapy because we have problems too. And I already acknowledge, I love the acknowledgement of like, life does not start when you were like, you know, 21, 22 years old.
It's really happening to them right now, right? Yeah. So the, the bio is five stressed, sleep deprived, yet energetic teenagers sit down and talk about the struggles that come with being a teenager.
Teenager therapy cause we have problem. Welcome to Teenager therapy. Teenager therapy is a coming of age story told in real time. It's a culmination of mistakes and growth and a reminder that you're not alone. Throughout this podcast, we hope to do one thing and that share our stories in a raw, honest, and vulnerable way.
We think there is so much with that comes with being a teenager. There's so much good, there's so much bad. There's so many things that are romanticized in movies and TV shows and there's a lot of things that people don't talk about. And our main focus is to talk about the things no one else is talking about the things that are swept under the rug and people pretend like they don't exist.
The problems we have with things like mental illness, sexuality, confidence, friendships, relationships, sex, drugs, every single topic, there's nothing that's off limits because we think one of the most important things you could do is be vulnerable and have the courage to be judged and possibly even get hurt because all of that allows us to create an environment where you, the listener, can see a part of your life and us and in our situations.
So throughout the podcast, you might find yourself feeling like, wow, I had no clue that there were others also feeling this way. And that is the one thing that we want to make sure you feel that you're not alone. So if you start with episode one, you'll begin with us in our sophomore year. All of us being 15 years old, we had never done a podcast before.
We didn't really even know what we were doing, but all we knew is that we wanted to talk about everything going on in our lives. As you listen from episode one up to episode 1 29, currently, you'll see that there's been a lot of growth. Our opinions have changed, our situation has changed, and when we started out with sophomores and now we're here almost as graduating seniors, you'll realize there is a lot of growth to be had.
So anyways, we hope you take something out of the podcast and most importantly, we hope it helps keep you company. I mean, is that not phenomenal or what? What a great job and yeah, really just taking us right into it, um, with that description and the intent. I loved how the, the hosts said and see how our things have changed over time.
Yeah, yeah. I think because a lot of adolescents, at least, you know, the ones I know, everything feels so permanent right now. It's not gonna change. There's, you know, this is the circumstance which is so developmentally appropriate, and yet we learn through hearing other people's stories and through that role modeling and, and, you know, I bet, you know, these five teenagers in some, you know, in a lot of ways have become mentors for a lot of people out there.
And so, I mean, there's teenagers I love out there so much, and so I would only hope that, you know, this podcast reaches them and, um, yeah, I had to share it. Yeah, and the, the teenagers talking about being teens versus an adult looking back or something like that. I mean, really wanting to meet, um, the people where they are and hear real time examples is, uh, I, I would imagine would be really helpful.
And I want to recommend that to my team, uh, clients as well. Great. Well, thank you. What's next for you? Well, and, and that's a nice segue into, you know, hearing people most impacted, um, leads me to a podcast called Don't Call Me Resilient. And this is a, yeah, a podcast about an being anti-racist. And it is, um, Uh, the host's name is, uh, Vinita, let's see, I really wanna say this right, Shrivastava.
And it takes the listeners deep into conversations with scholars and activists who view the world through an anti-racist lens. And, you know, for a, for a straight white male, being sure to talk to other folks, other white folks about being anti-racist. Mm-hmm. is so important and learning to be, um, allies and challenging each other and, and really taking a stance on the anti-racist, um, uh, movement, uh, in culture, and also using.
Voice, uh, not using, but hearing voices of color talk about what these certain experiences are like also is so important in our anti-racist movements. Yes, yes. And our anti-racist actions. And changing a, a racist society so that that dual, um, role, the one is not sufficient. It's not sufficient for, uh, groups of, of white folks to just talk to, you know, in an echo chamber about anti-racism.
It's also important to hear the voices of the folks that are. impacted while also not setting the expectation that it is the job of people Yes. Of color or peop marginalized folks of, of any, um, identities, L G B T Q, um, to, to teach us. So that exactly dueling, um, responsibility to be an ally. And I, I really find, Don't Call Me Resilient and using that, um, that title really speaks to, I think it speaks to white folks of even just confronting a, a term that may have felt like, oh, I'm, you know, I'm being an ally in this term, but.
But really understanding how that, that is not, um, as helpful or as, as accurate, um, or even certainly empowering as, as one may initially think. And, and I really can't say enough about, um, just, uh, how important this work is. And you mentioned social justice and our dedication to, to that at Insight and here in the podcast as well.
Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. , I really appreciate you bringing this up. Uh, a few points. You're right. Mm-hmm. Um, I love that title because there is more talk in the online community in that, you know, to call someone resilient. People don't wanna, at least, this is how I've interpreted and what I've seen is not speaking to this podcast.
But calling someone resilient is, you know, in a lot of ways why I don't wanna be resilient. I, I don't wanna have had to suffer this trauma, let alone continue to suffer this trauma. Or to have generations of, you know, people continually to be traumatized and then they get slapped with this label. Like, well, you, you're just so resilient.
I don't, I don't freaking wanna be resilient. Like, I don't, this shouldn't be happening to cultivate resiliency. Exactly. Like, let's be real. So I love the, um, The title of that as well. And yet it's also great, right? You, you, the second point of that, it's not up to marginalized folks to educate us on how they feel and mm-hmm.
and what's happening for them. It's up to us to educate ourselves. And this sounds like, like you said, the dual nature of the podcast, that it can take, you know, any person listening who is considering like, well, how do I even become anti-racist? Like, what does that mean? You know, isn't it just enough to like, you know, not say racist things, you know?
You know, and, and so to give them a little bit more of a framework for like dismantling racism and hearing the stories without burdening anyone. Correct. Yeah. I love that. Absolutely. That's, that's what, what's the name of that? Say it again too. Don't Call Me Resilient. There we go. Thank you. I didn't wanna misquote it.
Thank you. Staying in this conversation, I really enjoy the podcast Therapy for Black Girls. It's a weekly conversation with Dr.
Joy Harden Bradford, a licensed psychologist in Atlanta, Georgia.
Welcome to the Therapy for Black Girls Podcast, where we focus on all things mental health, personal development, and all the small decisions we can make to become the best possible versions of ourselves. I'm your host, Dr. Joy Harden Bradford, a licensed psychologist in Atlanta, Georgia,
Welcome to the very first episode of The Therapy for Black Girls Podcast. I am delighted and thrilled that you've decided to spend a little bit of time with me and share space with me today. I'm wanting to do this intro episode to give you more information about what you could expect from the podcast each week and how you can help.
For those of you who are brand new to Therapy for Black Girls, I also wanna give you some information about the history and why I created it. So I created Therapy for Black Girls in September, 2014, shortly after watching the Black Girls Rock Award show on b e t. So the Black Girls Rock Award Show is always one of my favorite things to watch on tv.
And the very first year I watched it, I just remember feeling so inspired and excited about all the amazing things that black women were doing. And I wanted to figure out how can I take the same energy and excitement that I feel and translated to the mental health field? And so then I developed therapy for black girls.
So my goal then and now was to help present mental health topics in a way that felt more relevant and accessible to black women. I want sisters to realize that mental health is not just developing strategies to manage panic attacks. It's also about how we can be more assertive, how we can set firmer boundaries, and how we can learn to listen to that little voice inside of us that tells us when something is wrong.
So two years and some change later. And my newest idea about how to get this information out to everyone is through this podcast.
Yeah, so I have listened to some of these episodes and I just think that Dr. Joy is amazing. I couldn't do this episode without talking about what she's doing in the mental health world. She's amazing. I just started following, oh, yay.
Awesome. So let's move on. What are you thinking next, Jeff? Any other recommendations you wanna share? Well, I can't, um, have a, a list of podcasts without mentioning the Insight podcast, which is , you know how I got and got in interested in being here. Oh, thank you. I'm Curting. No one can see it, but Iz. And the, just the way that to tackle, um, uh, the, the things that come up and, and the dedication to the mind body talks that Insight has and the mind body treatment or, you know, mind body focus on our wellness.
Um, it, it's really been, um, it's something I like to, to I listen to every, every time it comes out, but also, um, recommend specific episodes for clients mm-hmm. Between, um, between therapy sessions or things that come up that are, are very topical. Um, one, uh, for, uh, listeners to, to know about that have maybe haven't listened to them all is the ADHD ones that, that are done with linen and yourself and.
And how helpful, uh, I've heard back from clients with ADHD or ADHD symptoms, um, and how important and, and helpful those things have, have been to them. Um, another one that jumps out is the, the habits one, um, how to set and break habits was, uh, got really great feedback on on those, uh, as well on that episode as well.
Oh, thank you. Thank you for saying that. I appreciate it. You know, when Jeanie and I started the podcast, that's why, why we did it. We wanted supplemental information or those who are on our wait list or those who do not have the privilege to have the resources to pursue psychotherapy, um, that they could have access to the information and it would, it would go past our therapy walls.
Right. Um, it's, it's also one of the reasons why I'm kind of playing with TikTok right now. Insights from Jess, y'all. Um hmm. They're okay-Ish. , I am learning. I am new, so be kind. But again, information about trauma inform, movement practices, the inner child, and just a range of other information. I just think, why is it just sitting inside of me and why is it like, maybe only shared with the 20 or 40 people I see on a consistent basis?
Right? It just doesn't. Feel, I mean, there's something in me that believes in like the, the arts, everyone's responsibility to make the world a better place, right? And so what can I do to be sharing information that could help serve someone? So thank you for saying that. Um, absolutely. Thank you for doing it.
Yeah, I think for me, some of, if I quick off the top of my head talk about some of my favorite episodes we've recorded, which I've never maybe shared out loud, um, I of course love the A D H D cuz Lynn is, you know, an expert and has, you know, so much information to share. I, I really love the Voices of Insight episode where every staff member answers the same questions.
Because it's so collaborative and you really get to hear the distinct voices and how you know it, it supports that. It reminds me at least that if you, if you're seeing a therapist right now, someone, and they're not the right fit, there is someone out there for you. Because here are 25 distinct voices, distinct life experiences who have taken their training.
And it reminds me that there's someone out there for everyone to do this work. But also I learned from so many of the people that we have here that I love, you know, I love, that's all just kind of put into this one episode. Uh, let's see. I also really appreciated the ones where, um, well first, any staff member who's willing to be vulnerable and show up on this podcast or anyone in the community.
But I, you know, I'm a body-centered therapist, so I love all the ones that talk about like trauma in the body, um, trauma informed yoga, what that is. , different aspects, you know, when we've had people come on and talk about yoga and, um, you know, P T S D and you know, just, you know, I've had some, you know, also other recovering fitness professionals come on and talk about the neurology of movement and how to move with ease and, and, and so I, I really do cherish those episodes.
And of course, Mary Chapman, who to me is mm-hmm , like Oprah Winfrey in my eyes, and that she's a meditation teacher and psychotherapist in our area who has a book well respected. It was great to get, to get, um, Participation to talk, to talk about like, you know, women and misogyny and, you know, empowerment.
And I mean, that was like a dream episode, dream episode for me. And then the ones that also challenge and educate about eating disorders challenge the toxic fitness culture and dieting mentality and to give education from a health, um, at every size approach. I really loved those episodes with Janet and Allie as well.
Mm-hmm. So thanks for bringing it up. I That's so nice of you. Absolutely. Well, moving in, I've never met this person, though. It would be a dream to have her on the podcast is, um, uh, Esther Perel. Do you know who I'm talking about? Sure do. Yeah. Mating and captivity. . Yeah. Oh yeah. She's written and done so many wonderful things for, uh, the mental health field and relationships and mm-hmm.
Yep. Oh, yeah. So she, e Esther is an expert on relationships and sexuality, and she has a podcast called Where Should We Begin? Which if anyone is like, what's therapy like? Mm-hmm. Esther brings you in to real therapy sessions, uh, which is first of all, like, thank you. Anyone who signs up for that to, you know, be that vulnerable, to share your process and your life journey so other people can learn, but it is phenomenal to sit and hear and then also to notice how she weave.
Through that process and supports them and helps them unearth things that, you know, bring things to their consciousness or to help resolve conflict or to learn about who they are and, and improve their relationships. And I just wanted to play a little bit of a clip of her season five that is coming out, or just, you know, more recently came out.
Okay. So two people meet online mm-hmm. with the stated purpose of just having light, fun Yes. Yes. And some good recreational sex. Yes. Yes. And then it's been a while since we sat together in my office. So basically he rarely has a conversation with you. He does. But then I go to my mom and I go to my brother and my grandmother and I tell everyone yes.
So he doesn't, yeah. When he talks to you, he hears a cacophony. In the last few years, we've received thousands of applications and many new kinds of questions, and especially also new constellations of relationships. Until we got together, I identified as gay. It's been really difficult for me and my identity to figure out what this means for me personally.
So I decided to venture out and, uh, there's gonna be a bunch of surprises. Sometimes it might be a surprise Phone call. Hi. Hi. It's a there. Oh, it's there. That's your voice. Other times it's a session with a couple that I had met in a previous episode where I wanted to know where are they now? She's moving in a positive direction.
She is reviving and I'm kind of a, a dragnet feeling like there's no escape and I'm just trudging along this season on where should we begin? All the pairs are organized around a gordonian nu So I've floated the idea of non-monogamy and he's really, really not down for that. I come to a stopping point in conversations about polyamory, cuz it feels uncomfortable to me.
And then see how we could open it up so that they could gain more understanding, clarity, maybe healing, maybe repair. I feel like I have to defend myself. Yes. Because she's saying, well stop incorrect things. I know he's so beaten down from you. I feel horrible, but I'm also angry. Transformation would be a big word, but each and them came stuck around a particular issue, and then we began to loosen it up together.
Sometimes it's about what needs to be said, and then after that it's about sitting quietly with what has just been said. I'm Ms. Step. Join me for a new season of where should we begin? Where should we begin resumes? Wow. Really great trailer. Really great trailer. I'm, as I'm listening to it, I'm just like, Ooh, that's some heavy stuff, and yet so important.
Right. You know, our relationships. Uh, or the foundation, right? We're humans. That's all we are is relationships. I mean, that's why I'm an L M F T because we study, we don't just study the person in a vacuum. We study and we train and we learn, and we work with people through the lens of the systems in their lives and, and their relationships.
And so I, I've listened to her on, you know, I just scroll through and see what topics are interesting to me. But, you know, she is just such a gifted practitioner and, and I love that she has a podcast now. Absolutely. And, and, um, gripping, like the way she speaks, um, you want to hear more and, uh, the, um, education and, and experience and insights, I think that, that as stir brings are, are, um, unparalleled really.
Um, and I think that's something that makes, uh, her work, whether it's this podcast or, um, books or, um, I've read several of her books, uh, but is is really a, a wealth of, of information for folks. And, you know, you spoke of L M F T and that's really why I became social worker because of the systems, because of mm-hmm.
how the, um, not looking at humans in a vacuum is so, so very important. Um, and no more important than, than right now in, in our current time. Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. . I completely agree. Any closing thoughts on any other podcasts for you, Jeff? I do want to throw one more. Um, it is called, let's see, uh, hidden Brain. Ooh.
I love anything about the brain. Oh no, I've never, never heard of it. But I love the brain and you, and this is a great intersection, brain. and emotions, you know, and I, I find that a lot with clients, especially folks that are more science minded. How do you understand? Emotions, um, through a scientific, um, lens.
And I'm not a super science guy, so I can't, I can't make the connections much more with the depth that I think a lot of folks really appreciate or, or need, depending on how, um, your brain works and, and processes and, and relates to things. And so, I'm gonna read just the blurb here. It says, hidden Brain, um, uses science and storytelling to reveal the unconscious patterns that drive human behavior, shape our choices.
and direct our relationships. Oh yeah. It's wonderful. And comes out pretty often and did like three part series on relationships and stuff, on motivation and um, yeah, just all sorts of concepts that are, that kind of straddle that line of, of you. Emotion versus reason and, um, and, and how to, you know, help your mind and your brain to work in harmony.
Like, um, yeah, I love that. How about that? Instead of, you know, swing that we talk about, that pendulum swing from one side to the other and really wanting to minimize the swinging and have, you know, invite all of our, uh, skills and faculties to the table at the same time to, to. To, to figure out or to, um, come to some place where we can move forward.
Mm-hmm. . Um, and that's what I love about, uh, about that, uh, particular podcast. The Hidden Brain. Hidden Brain. Yep. It kind of, I mean, I'd be curious to see what they talk about in regards to like survival responses and polyvagal theory about, you know, what emotions arise when we're activated and we shift, you know, out of our prefrontal cortex where we feel calm and regulated and you know, what emotions are stored in our limbic system, let's say.
Yes. And what emotions are stored in, you know, the brainstem kind of, you know, what they call the reptilian brain and Yeah. And, and how those emotions shift. Um, you know, it's so interesting cuz as a therapist it's like, yes, what are your emotions? What are you feeling? Let's identify 'em. And then sometimes it's like, But don't believe them.
It's really . It's really confusing of like, well, when do I follow my emotion and when do I not believe my emotions? Or not that you don't wanna believe them, but you know, the brain, for example, will. Shift the story and the emotions based on perhaps a part that's activated or something that was stored in your brain, you know, that was non-verbal.
And is that a, this is where maybe you don't believe them per se, is, it's like, is that a record of past events showing up right now or is that the current, you know, experience and, and you know, when we know that, um, with the nervous system, our story we tell ourselves and the thoughts and feelings we have often will follow an autonomic state shift.
So when you shift into flee, or fight or freeze or shut down, the story can shift as well and the emotions that, you know, maybe are connected to that story. And so, you know, I love the idea of bringing the brain online mm-hmm. and, and, and it, all it does is help you be more of an observing self to know what's happening in your present moment.
Right. It's one important thing that step back to be an an observing. Observing being in, in your life and, and not, you mentioned all those systems and not reacting from, from our limbic system or our, you know, lizard brain and, and really taking moments. And that's what mindfulness is, right? Yeah. Is that, that synergy and that, um, harnessing again, that that's the skills we have and, and discerning when to use which, and how much attention to give to any of the things in our, in our lives that all are screaming at us.
Yeah. I'm the most important. I'm the most important, so, oh, yeah. Yeah. Really love this one Hidden brain. And very cool. I think. I think it sounds like you'll really enjoy it too. Yeah. Well see. All you're doing is making more amazing problems for me because mm-hmm. , I already feel like I don't have enough time.
Well, there is one on time management in Hidden Brain. Oh, see, well, And then it's like, oh, but now you just gave me like 10 new things. I wanna listen to . And it's just like, where the, where's I gonna come? We need a lifelong car ride. Just Yeah, exactly. Just save them up. Right? They're so great for car rides or plane trips or stuff like that.
Commutes. Yeah. Commutes. Yeah. Definitely. Um, so last one I'm gonna mention real quick actually just pertains to medical professionals. So psychotherapists, um, anyone who needs to, you know, get some continuing education is, uh, you know, and so I'm sure like other people could probably use them as well, depends on, you know, who, you know, your licensing board is and what they approve and what they don't.
But there is a podcast, it was recommended by someone on staff here at Insight, and I am so grateful they mentioned it is, uh, called cl, it's called Light Up the Couch, but it's, it's hosted by, um, A company called Clearly Clinical, and it's a paid subscription. One year, they just upped their price to $95.
I'm not hating on it though, because they, their services are so amazing that you gotta get it from somewhere to keep the product this high, this like high quality, but you pay $95 and you listen to a podcast and you get a continuing education credit for it. And getting my clinic, you know, getting my ethic hour, ethics hours in getting, you know, all those other things, you know, to add up, you know, for licensure has never been more enjoyable.
I will tell you that Inconvenient episodes convenient, you know, listening to, you know, there's the, the range of topics, it's just, it's mind blowing to me. And so I've only started dabbling in it, but I've really appreciated the ones. How to provide supervision. I've appreciated the ones on working, you know, with different communities.
Um, I've appreciated the ones on, um, inclusivity and, uh, you know, even just, you know, how to manage compassion fatigue and empathy fatigue and, um, writing clinical notes. And, you know, Theresa, someone on staff recently recommended, um, Irvin Irvin Y's more recent episode about the book he wrote on as his wife was passing and dying from cancer.
They wrote the first half of the book together and then he wrote the second half of the book, um, after she had passed. And he's in his early nineties and he's, you know, one of our pioneers in psychotherapy. And so to hear his thoughts and for him to share his life experiences, you know, just really, really good stuff.
And, and I'm saying it on this podcast because. Um, some of these are free, and maybe you are just interested in these topics and you're a listener and you know, just in your life, you know, something about like, compassion fatigue speaks to you because you are a caregiver for a family member. Or maybe you have someone who recently passed in your life.
So you wanna hear how does a therapist, like, how does one of the most famous therapists deal with the loss of the most important relationship in his life? You know, I, I just think it's a really great podcast. So light up the couch. Absolutely. That's one I you told me about last week that I, I've already started, uh, my subscription too.
Nice. Nice. It's a good one. It is. It really is. Well, we're gonna take a last, you know, five or 10 minutes as we wrap up to talk about other, just people and presences on social media. Again, social media. We have to be mindful about what we're, how we're using it, and, and if it's bringing, you know, something into our lives or perhaps taking away.
But I feel like the overall conversation and, and just regular culture is that this is bad. Like TikTok is ruining us. Instagram's ruining us. You know, Facebook is, you know, sucking our souls away, but, and it's not, there are some really amazing people and presence on, you know, social media. So we wanted to share a few of those as well.
I, I start off right away, I was scrolling through my Instagram feed, like, who, who's here, um, and I wanted to talk about Sharon Salzberg meditation teacher since 1974, author of several books. She's the host of another podcast, actually, the Meta Hour podcast. Great podcast, but mm-hmm. . I, I really like her social media because it's very, very bite-sized doses.
and how to be more compassionate, to be mindful, and to bring, you know, meditation, um, into your everyday life. Mm-hmm. . And so she's wonderful. Sharon Salzberg. And you started this by talking about, you know, um, Maybe how social media gets a bad rap. And we spend, Jesse, you and I in this conversation, and our last one about intention.
Mm-hmm. and mindfulness. And this is a great space for that. It's choosing what to consume and when to consume it. Um, is, is, is really in a, in a world where we search for our agency and our choice and our mm-hmm. , this is a like, again, and then the bite size pieces of how to get what we need. Um, when you can't just sit down and read a whole book and Instagram and podcasts can be so great for that.
Mm-hmm. , I, in that vein, I recommend, um, to couples. I work with the Gottman's and the Gottman's being pioneers and Oh yeah. And relationships and marriage and, um, and they are a great Instagram follow and really give some things out there to couples to think about and then to bring to the par your partner, um, and have discussion topics and, and depth and really normalizing the bumps in relationships and the difficulties and, and how to interpret those in ways.
Bring partners and individuals where they, where they want and need to be and, and kind of break some of those cycles, which is mm-hmm. really such a, a difficult thing in, in relationships is breaking an unhealthy dynamic while maintaining the relationship. Mm-hmm. and. Check out the Gottman Institute, um, a married couple, uh, who has been doing, who have been doing, I believe they're both psychologists have been doing relationship work for, for a very long time.
Um, that's great. Oh, yeah. Their research, you know, they, they have what's called the love lab where they have truly studied for decades, couples, and their interactions. And then they got the, you know, interesting job of coding every single thing that humans do in these, you know, as they, they're, you know, they put a couple in their love lab for a weekend or a week and they observe and they code the interactions and they.
Have a lot of research on, you know, what leads to couples functioning and, and, um, staying together and maybe what truly leads to a couple, deciding to, um, you know, separate. And so just really, and then through that they give you tools. They give you tools to, you know, repair if, if that's your choice. And it's just, yeah, they're amazing.
They're amazing. I didn't know they were on Instagram, but of course I was just, you know, emailing with, um, Jeanie Colker this morning and I was like, this is the future. This is the future. And, you know, everyone's getting on board and I'm just really glad that we're trying to be part of the conversation as well.
Mm-hmm. agreed. So someone I, you know, I'll mention Deb Dana. She is a licensed clinical social worker. She brought the polyvagal theory, my favorite theory, uh, to the mental health field. And so polyvagal real quick is the way our brain and nervous system protect us through threat. And we shift from ventral, vagal being calm and grounded and safe.
Not perfect, but safe to sympathetic where we flee or fight. And then even possibly to, um, dorsal vagal, we're a different part of our vagus nerve and brain turn on the functions of freeze or shut down all in the effort to help us survive. So, um, polyvagal theory, you know, re I just saw her on Instagram and she said, you know, this was just one, one soundbite of one of her posts.
When you heal your trauma, it regulates the nervous system. When you heal your trauma, it reduces cortisol, inflammation, and chronic stress. When you heal your trauma, you strengthen the immune system. When you heal your trauma, you take your power back. So I love her. She really is somatic based, right?
Thinking about thoughts, emotions, our nervous system, our brain, you know, all our soul, our, you know, our, our who we are all, all combined. So she's a great one to follow if you wanna learn anything about how the body influences your mental health. Yeah. Wow. What a great, um, way to describe that and really hook folks to say, this is such a, a component to your health and wellness and mm-hmm.
how, how unresolved traumas or traumas in general, um, have, have, do impact our current state of things. Um, mm-hmm. , I'm glad that that is out there. Good. Yeah. Um, the, uh, la I have one or two more, um, in the, the realm of clinical folks. Um, Gabor Mate has, um, done some amazing work. He's a psychiatrist, um, that does a lot of work in addiction and recovery.
Um, also some A D H D, um, work and really puts things together in a way that, um, is science and wellness based. So again, it kind of, um, straddles that line of, uh, emotions and, uh, your brain and how it works and, and how substances. How our system of our brain, body function and really de-stigmatizing, really normalizing, essentially saying, well, addictive substances are, are, are addictive for a scientific reason.
Yeah. Um, and are, and are not a, you know, and we've, but as a culture have worked our way away from this a bit as well, but not a, a, a moral or a characterological failing. Mm. Um, and, and really has both the compassion and, um, empathy of a human being as well as just amazing intelligence and research and study as a physician and a psychiatrist, and presents things in a, in a wonderful way.
And so I really recommend his Gabor Mate, m a t e, uh, as an Instagram follow, but also as an author, um, uh, for more depth. Wonderful. Thank you. I love anything that, you know, reduces shame, right? And so it sounds like this person is really working hard to provide education while reducing the shame around addiction and substances.
Me too. Speaking of shame reduction, I'm gonna mention a yogi that I follow on Instagram. I just happened upon her thank you algorithm for mm-hmm. . I must like really like, like feministic, body-centered movement and things of that nature because all of a sudden Alexandria Crow shows up on my Instagram feed and I just really appreciate her perspective.
So she works really hard to challenge the Insta worthy yoga community that you can find online. So for example, her posts say you don't need to achieve or perfect a bunch of fancy yoga shapes to prove your practice is valid or worthwhile. And the reason why I, I mean what, what really like grabbed my attention with, um, Alexandria is that, you know, she po some videos which are reels or you know, whatever they're called.
Um, and she shows these different yoga poses and discusses the traditional pose. You know, for example, you do this to build strength to achieve the pose. Um, but then she pulls out and they're usually pretty difficult yoga poses, but they're always kind of the ones you see on Instagram where there is like this, you know, cisgender 22 year old, um, traditionally small sized body, um, athletic clothing holding these poses that are.
Out of this world difficult. Like if I was trying to be inspired to do yoga, I, I would tell myself like, well, that's not, that's not achievable in any way, shape, or form. Um, so why try? Uh, but what she does is she pulls out this tape measure sometimes, or she uses, you know, graphics to show that, uh, a lot of times these poses are because people are hyper mobile or because the length of your limbs actually is allowing that pose to happen.
So maybe she can do that pose because like her femur bone is longer than mine. And so if I was gonna try and do this pose and I couldn't reach it, maybe there's some like an over push, which we know when you push hard in yoga, it actually leads to more dysfunction than staying relaxed in the poses. Um, unless the strength is called upon.
But, you know, sometimes we push so hard to get there, but maybe you'll never get there because you know your bones aren't long enough. or your torso is shorter than that person. Mm-hmm. . And so it really challenges the idea of, um, it's not that you need to work harder, she says you really just have to tailor the activity to you.
And I mean, that's so trauma informed without saying it is that, you know, this isn't about, you know, trying to achieve this perfection, you know, that you see, it's about doing something tailored individually to you and then putting that into practice in your life so that you can reap the benefits. Wow. I really like that.
And, and how you described it. I, I see, and it was a big thing for me to not, um, go to yoga for a long time, feeling that I don't know how, I don't have the strength or the skills or the. That the right clothing or mm-hmm. or any of those things, and not wanting to find another space where you don't belong is kind of the opposite of what yoga's all about.
Yeah. Um, so, so hearing that is, is great. And, um, especially for someone who, I don't, I don't do yoga very often, but have really tried to take, um, some yoga classes at Insight and learning more. Mm-hmm. and, and that just spoke to me. Uh, I was there Friday for the first time in a while, and feeling, um, you know, some of that guilt and shame for not being there enough at the yoga class.
And then, you know, this, this, um, the way you described the, um, uh, the Instagram sounds like it would be something to help me not get in such a rut of not going, you know, you can listen to this or see, see what they're doing and realize Okay. You know, um, It doesn't, it doesn't matter. Um, What I wear or how experienced I am, I can still get something from going to class or practicing yoga on my own.
Mm-hmm. . And, you know, I, I'll, I have to put in a plug cause I'm so proud of everyone on our wellness team at Insight. Mm-hmm. Every single thing we do is thought of with care and with intention to be trauma informed, to be an inclusive space, to consider how all bodies move and how all bodies can be better supported.
And, you know, it's, it's, it's very intentional on our, all our part. So if you ever do choose to come to any of our yoga classes, you're gonna see, you know, you're gonna have instructors who are informed, who care, who take the time. And really just even the principles of our yoga studio are, are very specific to Jeanie's vision and the vision of all the other yogis and wellness providers in that.
At the end of the day, what's most important is that people are safe and that they're given tools that help them cope with mental health symptoms or just with life. And, you know, it's a huge proponent, um, at our studio and, and we work really hard to be trauma informed, which, which I'm really proud of everyone for doing so.
Yeah, it's, it's worth saying, um, cause it's, it's a phenomenal staff and I have personally have some, some back and disc issues that just talking to, to the yoga therapists at the beginning and ex explaining and, and having them have such knowledge. Um mm-hmm. really helped me feel like I was in the right place.
For the class and classes, so, mm-hmm. , it's really lovely. They're, they're a great group of folks to work with. Yeah. Yeah. I just read in our newsletter today, you know, Jeanie highlighted that three of our staff are registered yoga teachers. So that's like, that's the equivalent of a master's degree in yoga.
So the time and the studying and the attention. And then, you know, the rest of our staff as well registered, all registered yoga teachers from accredited institutions and all have training in trauma. So many of them are also therapists are studying to become therapists or have taken several trauma-informed training, uh, really to further the mission of not just, um, again, making someone, you know, show up in class and sweat a lot and walk out, but that your life is truly changed by this practice and this.
So thank you. Wonderful stuff. That's really all I have for Instagram things. Okay. I've got one more and then we'll close out the show. Thank you for everyone who's kind of sticking by us. Is this a little bit longer of an episode but I think, is it cause I'm chatty? Well, yes, and it also might be because I'm chatty.
Uh uh. But I would also like to say that it goes to speak to the amount of resources that are out there that are so, uh, just so amazing and that can be truly helpful. So, you know, it's a longer episode but it's because it's full of really good stuff. So, and I'm wondering about asking folks maybe not follow or subscribe to all of these all at once.
Then you maybe get inundated with things and, and, and then maybe that's easier. To, to turn off or to ignore. Yeah. Maybe look through and, and choose, you know, a couple. I don't, I don't know how to advise that, but, but, um, you know, spending a little time looking at or, uh, the descriptions cuz the ones you've played and read and the ones that I copied down, they do a really good job, so.
Mm-hmm. , you know, grab a couple for listeners to grab a couple of new ones and check 'em out. Um, and this stuff will. Um, available for people in our show notes, correct? Yep. In the show notes. Correct. And so, you know, we, we pulled some other therapists on staff as well, and took some, um, social media accounts and some podcasts.
We took more information, which will all be in the show notes, but I agree. Bite size pieces, you know, take one, sit with it. You know, it's, it's a marathon, not a sprint when it comes to, you know, self work. Right. It's a lifelong pursuit. These podcasts. Even if the podcast ends, it's still out there. It's not going anywhere.
So true. Take your time. So let's end with a black female therapist. Oh, I love this person. Um, her name is Brittany Cobb. She's a licensed clinical social worker and content creator. I really appreciate about her is that her goal is really to promote mental health, mental wellbeing, provide education, fight stigma associated with therapy in mental health, especially in the black community.
Every single thing she posts, I'm like, yes, yes, yes. And it just speaks to some part of me somewhere, whether for my clients or for myself. But I wanted to give you a couple, um, little examples of the type of content she posts. So recently there was a quote. She said, just this life got better when I stopped being nice and obsessing over who I might disappoint.
Hmm. Just reading it is like validating and being like, oh, life gets better for stopping. Especially for people who are culturally conditioned to be pleasing and nice all the time. Right. Also, you know, this one, she talks a lot about family systems, intergenerational trauma, kind of some inner child work.
Um, she honors the wounds that adult children often are still carrying and encourages adult parents to po work with an adult child to heal and to hold themselves accountable. But also, you know, it speaks to me when someone honors or validates that when you break intergenerational patterns, it's not easy and it can be lonely and it can, um, you, you need a community around you.
And so for example, She created this post recently, I found really validating. That said, you might be the first in your family too, and then every slide had a, a new thing that you might be the first person, so I captured a couple of them. You might be the first in your family to take action to address the emotional wounds impacting your relationships.
Wow. You might be the first to establish your individuality and move away from feeling emotionally responsible for other people. You might be the first in your family to go to therapy and you might be the first in your family to apologize and take full accountability for your actions even with your children.
And I've heard, I've talked about those themes in therapy. I've talked about those themes with my clients in therapy about, you know, especially the going to therapy and starting to function differently. How sometimes there are still barriers because you're trying to do that with people who maybe don't have the same level of insight because they haven't gone to therapy or that they're just in different place in their life and, and how isolating that can be.
And yet when I also hear clients say, oh my gosh, my parents don't get it. But when I do something that I know hurt my child, I go in their bedroom and I check in and I apologize. And my mom's like, what? You shouldn't be apologizing to like a seven year old. And it's like, no, I should be apologizing to them.
You know, things like, how healing is that? So anyway, a black female therapist, I think she's amazing and I love her content. In breaking that, that generational cycle, like you said, and, and and being the one to say, no, it's going to be me that does it is. Mm-hmm. can be very empowering and that struggle though too, to, to look around and, um, and reali and, and want maybe others to come with you on that journey.
Yeah. And the empathy to say, like you said, they're, they're, they're not at that place right now. Yeah. Um, is a really critical component it sounds like. Wow. That's a good one. Thank you for sharing that. Yeah. I really like her. I think, um, I've shared her stuff online and I've seen other people share it and other people have remarked me that when they read her posts, they just feel really seen, like really seen, like someone is saying things that they've been feeling or thinking for a long time.
And so I think she's very valuable, very valuable, uh, voice. Amazing. Well, thanks everyone for listening, for sticking around through all of our resources. There'll be more in the show notes, like we said. Mm-hmm. and Jeff, thank you for bringing some really great stuff to the table. Thank you. Oh, thank you Jess.
It was great to be here and I really appreciate the space to, to talk about these things and to share and to tell our listeners, um, areas to, to check out and, and to. I look forward to hopefully more, um, discovering of other areas of social media and ways to be, uh, more, uh, intentional around consumption of social media and tailoring it to needs that we as humans have.
Definitely I com I completely agree. It's about intention and what can we bring into our life that is helpful. Also, you know, what can we bring into our life that brings new perspectives and new people's stories and experiences that we maybe haven't considered before? Absolutely.
Thank you again for joining us on Insight Mind Body Talk, a body-centered mental health podcast. We hope today's episode was empowering and supported you in strengthening your mind-body connection We're your hosts Jeanne and Jess. Please join us again as we continue to explore integrative approaches to wellbeing. Until then, take care.